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Life on Mars tie-in novels... 
14th-Dec-2010 05:38 pm
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Hang on, hang on, hang on... this is the Monastic Productions bio on twitter: Scriptwriters Matthew Graham and Ashley Pharoah loved each other very much so they made a company.

What the fuck, you guys? MASH is canon.

But also --- look at what they've/someone who represents them's been twittering today: http://twitter.com/monasticprods

My opinion is so, so complex. It's very much this thing where it could go horribly, terribly wrong for so many reasons, but at the same time will most likely incorporate more Sam & Gene buddy cop love that's not written by me. In the end, I loved Matt's Christmas story, for instance. It all sounds interesting, especially the E-Book idea. But maybe the publishers are worried because the writing isn't so good?

... when has that ever stopped publishers before? Twilight, for instance. The Da Vinci Code.

Tie-ins are not always that good. Then again, some of them are not bad.

Ack. And more ack. Because on the one hand? There's so much scope for potential awesome. On the other, there's so much scope for potential fail. And on the third, mutant hand --- I, er, I can be stupidly possessive of these characters. Stupidly. And A2A? They fucked it up at first, they really did (and I still don't regard it as canon.)

14th-Dec-2010 07:18 am (UTC)
"And the violent / sexy bits will be pre dog-eared for easy access!"

14th-Dec-2010 07:19 am (UTC)
That was clearly a joke, so I wasn't going to add that to LI73, but I KNOW, RIGHT?

Unless someone has hacked into Monastic's twitter?

... but both Matt and Ash have made jokes like that before.
14th-Dec-2010 07:24 am (UTC)

Yes, obviously a joke, but still. My mind went straight to S/G... *gets hopes up, foolishly* :P
14th-Dec-2010 07:25 am (UTC)
If I am right and that was Matthew posting... erm, probably not what he was thinking?

Phyllis/Nelson, for SURE.
14th-Dec-2010 07:28 am (UTC)
WAHEY! Well it's about time we had some more Phyllis/Nelson. Bring it on! :D
14th-Dec-2010 07:33 am (UTC)
Well, first of all, they should hire the best fanfic writers to do the job. If they're serious, that is.

I have to admit feeling nervous about it. My experience of tie-in novels is that they're typically disappointing. They don't come close to the characterisation, plotting, and sheer invention of the best of fanfic. At worst, they're actively awful. At best, they're tolerable.

On the other hand... it would help keep the fandom alive. It could generate other spinoffs and merchandise that could be even more fun (replica St Christopher medals! Ivanhoe figurines! an official Life on Mars cookbook with recipes for Gene's Curry and Sam's Hamburger with a Side of Tapioca!). 'Cause if it's LOM tat, I'm all for it. *begins clearing off window sills*

And if there are audiobooks, read by John or Phil or, shoot, Noreen Kershaw, I'd queue up with a tent and a sleeping bag because HOW COOL WOULD THAT BE?

On the other other hand, if any of those products was used to canonically link LoM to A2A, I would boycott it on principle. Even if it was a replica black leather jacket personally distressed by John Simm.

On the other other other hand... I'd tolerate just about anything if it would lead to a LoM fan convention.

Colour me undecided :-P

Edited at 2010-12-14 07:35 am (UTC)
14th-Dec-2010 07:40 am (UTC)
If I could get a paying gig writing LoM fiction? I'd probably be the happiest person in the world. Buuuut I think they'd probably go with professional writers in this case, hah.

As I have said, the potential on both sides is great. And, yes, it does look like they'd be treating A2A as canon, which is annoying but expected.

14th-Dec-2010 07:48 am (UTC)
I was going to start with "they should hire you," but decided that sounded a bit OTT. even if true

Professional writers don't necessarily feel passionate about the characters, and I think that's a precondition for truly great fic. (Not that the writers have to adore Sam & co. in a fangirly way, but they *should* be fascinated by them.) So I'm still a bit dubious about having "pros" taking this on. But I'd be thrilled to be wrong, of course.

P.S. Speedy macro love ♥
14th-Dec-2010 07:52 am (UTC)
I assumed I was amongst 'the best' then regardless. Egos --- such wonderful things!

If Mark Grieg were writing them, they'd be AM-AY-AY-AY-ZING.
15th-Dec-2010 08:32 am (UTC)
Hmm. The buzz seems to be that the novels will all be about Gene. Certainly the Den of Geek petition is all about new!Gene!content. Not a mention of Sam that I could see. And OK, "years between LoM and A2A", but that still seems a bit of an omission.

So I tweeted MonasticProds to say that the charm of LoM lies in the interplay between Sam and Gene, and please not to neglect that. Not sure it's a view that's wanted, but honestly -- even if you love Gene and don't much care for Sam, they are the perfect character foils for one another. If any new novels foreground Gene to the point where Sam is a tiny figure in the background, I don't think I want to read them.
15th-Dec-2010 08:48 pm (UTC)
I am fairly sure there shall be plenty of awesome buddy cop goodness. A2A brought us Gene <3 Sam, remember? Ashley's all about talking about the love between men? Matthew is all, 'homoerotic clinches'. You can't have LoM novels without a strong Sam presence, even if it's not shown from his POV.
31st-Mar-2011 03:51 pm (UTC)

Gene Hunt is just one of those things/people you never stop liking. I've “been with” him for such a long time I can't remember when I “met” him which is fine. That said some of the stuff isn't believable/well done at all & I'd never have bought it myself.
I just think I’ll be lucky if these novels come out at all.
14th-Dec-2010 07:57 pm (UTC)
This can't be real. Can it?!?!?

*rubs eyes and stares wonderingly at screen*
15th-Dec-2010 08:43 pm (UTC)
Janni, it has the potential to be real.

I. Know.
15th-Dec-2010 09:34 pm (UTC)
'Twas the week before Christmas, and all through the house
The Twitter was stirring with a MASHable grouse
Their notepads were placed on their nightstands with care
In hopes that grand ideas soon would be there
The fangirls were sleeping, all sound in their beds
The question, "who's topping?" did dance in their heads
And Matt in his kerchief, and Ash in his cap
Drank deep to forget all that 'Bonekickers' pap
Then, at Matt's keyboard, there arose such a clatter
The fans rushed their monitors, shouting, "Hey, what's the matter?!"
They opened their Twitter clients, stifling yawns with their hands
Hit 'Refresh' as FailWhale said, "Exceeded demand!"
When what, to their wondering eyes, should appear?
But Matthew and Ashley, after several pints of beer!
"Let's knock out some novels!" they cried, clinking glasses
Link 'Mars' with (apocryphal) 'Ashes to Ashes'
More rapid than Wylie, their fangirls, they came
Even though Matt had shouted, and occasionally called them names
"O, Fangirls! You're wrong! And to show you, I'll prove it!
Het romances were there! There's no way that I blew it!"
From the top of the bed, dangling rope from the wall
Ash had snuck up behind and restrained Matt, withal!
"That's enough out of you," Ash purred, deep and dark
"This is how we ended up on that 'Bonekickers' lark!"
So off to their LJs, those fangirls, they flew
With their heads full of dreams, and some plotbunnies, too
And then, in a twinkling, I heard on the roof
An angry voice shouting, "Gene Hunt is no poof!"
As I drew in my head, and was turning around
Down the chimney, a certain writer came with a bound
Dragging rope, and disheveled, from head down to foot
And his clothes were all tarnished with greasepaint and soot
A big pack of novels, he'd slung on his back
Looked a bit like a student as he rustled his pack
His ringlets, they bounced! His cheeks were so cheery!
(Ash followed soon after, looking forlorn and weary)
His droll little mouth was drawn up like a bow
And his pale face reflected the moon's silver glow
The stump of a pencil, he bit in his teeth
I bit back my tongue, trying to hide disbelief
He had a broad face and a little round belly
That shook, when he laughed like a bowlful of jelly.
He was chubby and plump, from a life full of writing,
I couldn't help smiling, and bade him glad tidings
A wink of his eye and a twist of his head,
Soon made Ash feel an immense sort of dread
He spoke not a word, but went straight to his work,
Wrote pages with fury; debated merits of "berk"
When, in a macrame swing, up the chimney he rose
Ash huffed as he pulled, wished for reindeer in droves
He pulled up a winch, reeled the rope in right quick
And away Matthew flew, like the crack of a whip
But I heard him exclaim, ere he flew out of sight,
"Happy reading to all, and to all a goodnight!"
15th-Dec-2010 09:38 pm (UTC)
15th-Dec-2010 09:44 pm (UTC)

(Also? That took far less time than it should have. XD)
15th-Dec-2010 09:46 pm (UTC)
This is far too awesome. :DDD
15th-Dec-2010 09:54 pm (UTC)
Why thank you. :D
15th-Dec-2010 09:52 pm (UTC)

Loz says we should read this and then see if you're not SOME KIND OF WEIRD, INSANE, DELIGHTFUL GENIUS.

I'm supposed to act like this is a new revelation? ♥
15th-Dec-2010 09:55 pm (UTC)
Oh dear. Dare I ask where?! XD

Well, I do have a reputation to maintain. Partly due to people who are far too kind, such as yourself. ♥
15th-Dec-2010 09:57 pm (UTC)

It's her newest LJ post. Her mind exploded in to CAPSLOCK!
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18th-Dec-2010 09:44 pm (UTC)
The fangirls were sleeping, all sound in their beds
The question, "who's topping?" did dance in their heads

18th-Dec-2010 10:02 pm (UTC)

I can't believe I forgot to mention the most important part. While writing this, I heard Stephen Fry reading it aloud in my head. >3333333333
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