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15th-Dec-2009 10:00 am
Loz Calming
Now that I've caught up with series 4, 5 and 6 of NCIS, I've gone back to the beginning of Tim's arc and these are the things I have noticed.

1. Tony is obsessed with Tim from the offset. When he goes to him in 'Eye Spy'? I flailed a little bit. He needs to track down a number, so the first person he goes to is a guy he's met once? And he's obsessed with Tim's alleged tattoo as well.
2. Tim gives as good as he gets from the start. This pleases me. Yeah, he's a lot more gullible, and calls Tony 'Sir', but he also sets Tony and Kate up to deal with Gibbs, which I like.
3. In ways I can't explain, that they deliberately set Tim up the way they did makes me so happy. It's clear they've always intended him to start off as a talented rookie who gradually becomes a badass, but also that they've always intended him and Tony to be buddy-cop-style friends. It appeals to many of my fictional preference kinks.
4. This has nothing to do with Tony and Tim, but Gibbs is way, way more lighthearted in these episodes than he becomes in, say, S4. You really only see that return to that level of bantering, grinny Gibbs in mid-S6, and by then, it feels hard won in an awesome kind of way.
15th-Dec-2009 12:21 am (UTC)
I was watching some s1 eps again recently and kept thinking "What the hell? Gibbs is so light-hearted."

The thing about Tim is, he's doing all this stuff on his own that's only lightly mentioned in the show--he's like on this personal self-improvement or self-fulfillment regimen, or something, between bleaching his teeth and writing his novels and working out and stuff, over the years. And it's commented upon in the show--usually by Tony, natch--but it's not necessarily made into a big deal. And I kinda love that because it gives him an arc and makes him human, in ways that the other characters don't necessarily get.

(Of course, it's also interesting that we've seen Tim's and Gibbs' place, and even Ziva's and Ducky's, but never Tony's or Abby's. Huh.)
15th-Dec-2009 12:37 am (UTC)
S1 Gibbs talks a fair amount, too, which weirds me out.

I was thinking what you're saying about Tim too. Apart from that episode that's bookended by quotes from Tim's self-help cds, that aspect of him really is in the background. (That was one of those moments where my exclamation of "oh, show" was more due to embarrassment than love. Oh, show.) And, okay, so Tim's slow journey may be borne out of his insecurity, but he is taking it slowly and not changing the big things, because he's wonderful as he is, you know? Like, there was one episode where Tim was all 'she's out of my league' and the show (or, er, Abby) was very quick to say 'oh hells no'.

I think Tony's had a lot of character development, but it seems to be something some writers forget.

Because I didn't remember, I am surprised by how 'oh! I have a shiny new toy!' Tony is about Tim. He was literally jumping for joy when told he'd be on stakeout with him. Part of that may also have been that the person they were surveilling was hot, but he was weirdly super enthusiastic to be spending time with him. It's kind of been love at first sight.

15th-Dec-2009 02:30 am (UTC)
Yes! He's insecure but he's smart and he's growing in his confidence, and it's awesome to see that over time.

And Tony's had a ton of character development over the years, but like Abby he often defaults into a broader, more exaggerated characterization. (And yes, his development is something the writers sometimes seem to forget.)

Really, I just love all the characters on the show and would gladly hang out with all of them. Even Gibbs.
15th-Dec-2009 01:21 am (UTC)
Oh Gibbs! A bad-ass with a sense of humour! He's scary and evil and thank GOD he works for the good guys as he rules the world. (Abby owns him though XD)

And Tim/Tony. Tony's obsession is... it's unbelievable how canon it is. More specifically, it's an obsession with Tim's sexuality, they must be into the double digits the ammount of times Tony tries to infer Tim is gay. There are aspects of the buddy-cop-style friendship between Tony and Tim and when Tony is in a professional mood I agree but most of the time it is Tony pulling Tim's metaphorical pigtails, even Gibbs has hand to step in once or twice when it comes off too much like bullying because Tim doesn't understand (like when Tony was destroying Tim's calender and throwing the scrunched up pages at Tim just to get his attention)

The reason I'm so obsessed with NCIS is because, like SGA, it is the more traditionally handsome and masculine guy falling for the geek in the biggest way. Also, for the most part, Rodney and Tim seem to be oblivious to the pining that is going on.

I've got to admit that I am more of a Gibbs/McGee shipper (I can't help it, it goes back to the Greeks. Student/wise master relationship that is sexual) specifically because I think Tony could hurt Tim too easily and it's Gibb's job to protect him and love him in a way that you don't see in a playground.

Tony's obsession is so canon though. There's a scene in season one (can't recall the episode, sorry) where Tony volunteers to teach something technological to Gibbs and Gibbs scoffs saying 'McGee teaches you so you can teach me, that's a bit backwards'. Tim has only been on the show once or twice at this point so to have him mentioned in this context put a huge grin on my face.

Tim is a badass woobie, I love him so much! I've got to make icons. Thank you for reminding me. I am gonna make an icon of him and add the text 'baddass woobie' for that is what he is. *hugs my badass woobie*
15th-Dec-2009 01:38 am (UTC)
:D :D :D

This show has got you good. I think I win.

To me, buddy-cops are always pulling each other's pigtails, so, yes, hahaha.

(Tim's initial reaction to Tony is to think Tony's being the bullying jock and that's it? Like, he completely ignores the fact Tony's a) interested in his personal life --- to the point of wanting to know his hobbies and being jealous of his relationship with Abby, b) constantly touching him, joyful at spending time with him, planning what he can do with Tim next and c) properly obssessed with everything McGee.) He is definitely oblivious to begin with. I can tell you, however, that as the series goes by he is increasingly more clued in.

I half-heartedly ship almost everyone on the show. I quite like Tim/Ziva. I have seen Gibbs/McGee, but like Gibbs/DiNozzo, it's a little too 'but he's the father figure!' for my tastes. I can only take so many daddy issues before my incest squick pings.

15th-Dec-2009 01:54 am (UTC)
This is the most sexually charged show since Torchwood. Tim/Ziva is FTW! I heartily approve. For some reason Abby/Gibbs to me feels too much like incest, as does Gibbs/DiNozzo but even though he is the father figure for the team I don't see it so much with him and Tim. Bizarre.

It's a shame that Tim has only gotten more clued in as he has caved to what is traditionally more attractive by seeing a personal trainer four times a week etc. Tony has loved him from the start and it's a shame Tim has had to change himself before he realises that maybe Tony does actually like him. (Although I do love that scene where Kate and Tony are totally ragging on McGee's apartment, making fun of his dinosaur cereal and saying even George Clooney couldn't get laid in that place. When they're gone, a really hot girl comes out of the bedroom only wearing one of Tim's t-shirts, she can't find Tim so she satisfies herself by playing the computer game Tim was in the middle of before he got called away)

Yep, you're right, this show has got me good. The characters are so real... Gibbs can be a bastard (that's what the extra 'b' is for) but he's so awesome I can't help but care about all the characters. The episodes plots are interesting and keep me intrigued. There is continuity and intelligence! I love my shiny show ♥
15th-Dec-2009 02:11 am (UTC)
I prefer to think that it isn't Tim's self-fulfillment regimen that makes him realise Tony likes him, but more that he sees that Tony's more than a one-note caricature over time. I mean, Tony still mocks the hell out of Tim, calling him 'McGeek', and 'McGoo', but he also spends time with him. There are many shots of them sitting close together eating lunch, for no other reason than they're enjoying each other's company. Which is nice.

Tim's really only trying to change small aspects of himself in small doses. I find it a lot more positive as a character arc than the show saying McGee has to change to be more attractive. His self-help cds are all about him recognising why he is already awesome, he wanted to be fitter not necessarily thinner, he seems to always be striving to project himself for who he really is --- not letting himself be weighed down by the fear of other people's expectations and reactions. If Tony calls Tim 'McGeek', the next couple of minutes show why Tim's proficiency is a brilliant thing.

For me, Tim's development has always been about him gaining confidence in who he is right now, just as much as it's about him working towards who he could be.
15th-Dec-2009 02:20 am (UTC)
Awesome summary. I guess I get a tad defensive over Tim, wish I met him in highschool so I could protect him and make sure he NEVER had a problem with self-confidence.

*hugs, because hugs give people confidence*

(I am so tired right now, I'm surprised you're understanding anything I'm saying. Thankyou for being so nice to me as I suspect I may be nonsensical)
15th-Dec-2009 08:35 am (UTC)
There's a scene in season one (can't recall the episode, sorry) where Tony volunteers to teach something technological to Gibbs and Gibbs scoffs saying 'McGee teaches you so you can teach me, that's a bit backwards'. Tim has only been on the show once or twice at this point so to have him mentioned in this context put a huge grin on my face.

That's exactly what I was going to say! I'm so glad you noticed it. HI! HUGE Tim/Tony OTPer here.

Also, while I'm commenting here, the show actually highlights Tim's desire to change in that there's an episode where he's basically explaining to Abby that he's happy being a geek but he wants more layers than that, it's beautifully done, actually. *hugs show*
15th-Dec-2009 09:01 am (UTC)
I haven't seen that episode yet (or I have, but I forgot), but YES. That is the right response. Timmy? AWESOME AS HE IS. But I appreciate his endeavour to embiggen himself, because it is something people do that often gets ignored in television world.
15th-Dec-2009 09:23 am (UTC)
It's from 6x13, Broken Bird. Tim gets a shipment of his old computers and later he's talking to Abby:

Abby: I heard about your shipment
from home. I was kind of shocked.

Tim: Big surprise--I was a dork.

Abby: That's not what I meant.

Tim: Well,you may not have noticed, but it's taken a lot of work to outgrow those awkward,geeky phases.

Abby: I like your geeky parts.

Tim: Well,I do,too,but I want to be more than just a walking search engine, you know? See,the tricky thing is adding the new layers...

Abby: Without losing some of the old ones; I get that.

Tim: Well,then, what are you shocked at?

Abby: Oh,I can't believe you were a Mac guy.

♥ x forever

(Hey! Macs are AWESOME, Abby.)
15th-Dec-2009 09:30 am (UTC)
Oh, yeah, of course, I just watched that. I was expecting a longer conversation from what you said (because I was hoping for more Tim-centric episodes, if I'm honest), but I distinctly remember having massive heart eyes for Tim and the writers at the time.
15th-Dec-2009 01:47 pm (UTC)
*hugs you, Tim and NCIS*
15th-Dec-2009 08:40 am (UTC)
LOZ! I flailed at this post, thank you!

Tony is fidgeting with Tim's jacket within MINUTES of meeting him. It's utterly, utterly adorable. There's the obvious hint that he's spending time with McGee outside of what we see on screen that becks mentioned, there's traipsing to NORFOLK which is NEARLY 200 MILES AWAY when he could have just called. I just. He is so fascinated by McGee it is ridiculous and I do not understand how people can't see it--so many people think he's just a bullying idiot or can't see that there's any attraction there, but OH MY GOD.

And yeah, I love how Tim manages to be respectful of the team at the same time as getting their measure really quickly. Boy's smart.

Also, it is canon that Tim always denies being gay but never denies being bisexual. I don't know if this is deliberate or not, but I love it. Thank you, show!
15th-Dec-2009 09:08 am (UTC)
Yes! Tony is smitten, even if you want to look at it as being totally platonic (and really? why would you?) He kind of wants to be Tim's bestest friend straight away.

People really think Tony is only interested in bullying Tim? Really? Because, from the first, whilst there's mockery going on, he's like, so impressed with everything Tim does. Very quickly does he get to a state of admiration and high expectations when it comes to Tim's skillz.

This reminds me of people who don't think Sam and Gene are friends. Sometimes people do not watch the same shows I do.
15th-Dec-2009 09:27 am (UTC)
Sometimes people do not watch the same shows I do.

So much this. And, yeah, there are a lot of people out there who don't like Tony and cite his bullying of McGee as a major reason. I wonder if any of them have got brothers...

"We have a McGnome in our office. He never gets out. He smells like an overheated computer chip. But, boy, man alive, does he know computers, inside and out."

SO impressed. ♥
15th-Dec-2009 09:35 am (UTC)
Have they wilfully ignored more than half of Tony's characterisation? Sure, Tony can be an asshat, but there are invariably reasons, and his misconduct comes back to bite him, so...

I always really like how Tony doesn't actually want to be Tim, he just wants to be around him.
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