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13th-Sep-2009 10:38 am
Life on Mars (Sam smirks)
But he revealed that he believes the two series are successful in their own right and Simm does not need to make a comeback - Phil Glenister on Ashes to Ashes.

I take this three ways.

1. John is totally coming back and Phil's been told to act like it's never going to happen. Phil is fairly good at pretending to be an honest, upstanding guy, so he's the perfect man to be the frontman for Matthew and Ashley's dastardly plan! There's going to be rug-pulling, dammit, and expecting Simm will just ruin it ALL!

2. They're letting us down gently --- and also saying a giant fuck you to those of us (*cough* like me *cough*) who said it will be anti-climactic if the show revolves around Sam and then doesn't feature him. Which I still think, by the by, because Ashes to Ashes is not a boy-band, and they never replaced Robbie.

3. Phil and John have had a fight because John finally watched the show closely and admitted that he thought it was incredibly crap ("yes, even series two, Philip") and Phil's pissed. "We don't need the likes of you anyway, Simm-fucking-sational. You may think the sun shines out of your arse, but have you noticed how Take That are soaring and no one gives a fuck about Robbie anymore? Yes, I'm going to use a boyband analogy. As little tossbags would say --- suck on it!"

Hahahaha. It's probably version number two, which is a shame, because I have been hoping for a while now that they'd do the sensible thing and finish 'the arc' with Sam in some way. Honestly all I was hoping for was a two minute cameo, but hi-de-ho.
13th-Sep-2009 01:31 am (UTC)
I like #3. :D

Honestly all I was hoping for was a two minute cameo

Me too.
13th-Sep-2009 02:11 am (UTC)
Number three would make me sad. They're friends!

Cameo! Cameooooo!
13th-Sep-2009 01:51 am (UTC)
I know Simm hates to be tied down, but he could do a bloody two minute cameo. Or, you know, a whole episode. We're talking what, a week's work? He can spare that.

If he can play the Master for his little boy, he can reprise Sam Tyler for us, his fans, the ones who will be so very loyal and watch all his other projects and make him very rich if he just throws us this bone. Does he want to send Simm Jr. to Oxbridge or not?
13th-Sep-2009 02:09 am (UTC)
To give Simm credit, he's said a couple of times that he wouldn't be averse to being Sam again for a short time. So. I don't think he's the problem in this case --- and yeah, I never would have said that two years ago, but he's changed his tune!
13th-Sep-2009 02:01 am (UTC)

Erm... I feel a bit strange commenting on this as I stopped watching A2A about half way through the first series. It had nothing to do with Alex, all right, not *much* to do with Alex and everything to do with what they were doing to Gene's character.

Still, I would love to have seen Sam return just for the sake of those of you who have rolled along with A2A.
13th-Sep-2009 02:11 am (UTC)
If it makes you feel any better, in S2 Gene was far more like Gene. Although he still had his moments. I do get not watching the show, though. I never watched LoM: USA.
13th-Sep-2009 03:31 am (UTC)
I like #3, mostly because the idea of John and Philip talking about Take That and Robbie makes me deliriously happy. (I'd think of the cameo thing as one of those bits where Mark shows up at a Robbie concert and they do Back For Good together.)

Also, relative to #1...I'm forced to think of the Jack/Ianto shippers who spent a year being fed promises from virtually everyone associated with Torchwood, including John Barrowman and GDL, that they would be very happy with Children of Earth, right down to implications that their shippiest dreams would come true.

The moral, as my hero, Dr. Gregory House would remind you: Everybody Lies.
13th-Sep-2009 03:36 am (UTC)
You read the article, right? Because that analogy was Phil's, not mine. He's an odd duck when he wants to be.

Showrunners and their minions definitely lie.
13th-Sep-2009 06:51 am (UTC)
I see all this as just Phil's opinion which won't alter the outcome of A2A one bit. I'm going with no.1 *g*

And if that doesn't happen? There's always fanfic...
13th-Sep-2009 06:57 am (UTC)
Also an option. Phil might not know what the future brings!
13th-Sep-2009 05:15 pm (UTC)
So, let's get this straight:

1. Simm will make a cameo,
2. Simm won't make a cameo,
3. hatesex I mean, erm, Simm couldn't be less bothered.
13th-Sep-2009 05:16 pm (UTC)
And I reckon it's 1. But maybe that's just my little fangirl heart. Maybe Annie could turn up? That would be win-win. And they brought back that reporter, so why not?
13th-Sep-2009 09:08 pm (UTC)
I'd love to put in a vote for 1, but I'm with you in strongly suspecting that it's 2. (And 3 made me snicker. *g*) A Sam cameo would be awesome.

Though that reminds me that I still haven't actually gotten around to *watching* series 2 of A2A, so who knows if I'll like it enough to watch S3, even in the unlikely event of a Sam!cameo. I have high hopes that I will, since there were aspects of S1 I enjoyed, even if it never even came remotely close to my love of LoM.
14th-Sep-2009 09:22 am (UTC)
If you enjoyed aspects of S1 A2A, I hazard a guess you'll enjoy S2 as well. I did, and I'm super scary critical of the entire premise.
14th-Sep-2009 08:59 am (UTC)
I'm rooting for number 1, and resignedly expecting number 2.

I've been reminded at TRA recently that John was seen on the Ashes set during Series Two filming, but the story given out was that he and Phil were going to an event together. I believe they did indeed go to something together, but iirc there was something about the circumstances that made me very sceptical about the "just dropped in to pick Phil up" story. Can't remember what that was, though.

And I think it was only a week or two after that, that Phil gave an interview in which he claimed not to have seen John for months.

Some time ago I heard (from a source who might actually know) that John was not averse to coming back - well, we knew that anyway - but that unfortunately he was only interested in filling in the intervening years. His own comment when he sold The Jacket was words to the effect that if Sam comes back, they'll find him something suitable to wear, and that he definitely lives in the Seventies.

If it happens, you won't have to wait for the download - you'll hear the shrieks of excitement.
14th-Sep-2009 09:08 am (UTC)
Hang on, hang on, hang on... John was there to pick Phil up for an event? LOLOLOLOLOL! If I were a different kind of fan, I'd be proclaiming how they're so married :D

And I think it was only a week or two after that, that Phil gave an interview in which he claimed not to have seen John for months.

Was it a print interview? If so, they sometimes have embargoes on them and can have been written months in advance of publication (as part of a press junket, for instance.)

Yeah, I remember Simm saying how he'd like to do something about the intervening years, and I found that totally awesome and yet completely weird at the same time. Perhaps he was only saying that because he was fairly sure it wouldn't happen? Mmm.

I was thinking about it last night and I'm still a little cut up that John sold the Jacket, even though it was for charity. I was a bit in love with the fact he decided to take Sam's jacket in the first place and had a fond thought of it living next to Danny's in a closet somewhere.

It's a little bit sad that part of me --- a deep, dark part, but there nonetheless, would just die of happiness if we got to see Sam and Gene together again. I know it's complete madness, that they're entirely fictional. And yet. Oh.
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