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5th-Feb-2013 05:35 pm
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People on fandomsecrets are saying Ashes to Ashes is a better show than Life on Mars.

... I don't get that AT ALL. Even if you like it more? It is, in no objective way, a better made show. The beginning was dire, both Ash and Matt admitted that the tone was off in S1, the way it was shot up until S3 was awful, the plot holes were many and gigantic, the level of quipping and emotional resonance were lacking in comparison to LoM.

Should I always read "so and so is a better show" as "so and so is a better show for my tastes"? Probably. I just... there are lots of things I adore but I can always objectively say, "oh yeah, this is technically more adept in comparison, but I loooooove [x], [y] & [z] of that more."
5th-Feb-2013 08:19 am (UTC)
People on fandomsecrets are saying Ashes to Ashes is a better show than Life on Mars.

I'm with you on this; I just don't get that at all! There are different things to like about both shows and objectively I don't think there's any real basis for comparison. Life on Mars was the series that established the rules, after all - it did all the world-building (and the character-building) and each individual episode was stronger in almost all respects than any given episode of Ashes to Ashes.

Not that I see Ashes as necessarily inferior overall, or an unworthy successor to the original. In fact I was expecting to hate it and ended up not doing so, but neither did I completely fall in love with it. The moments of brilliance were perhaps fewer and further apart, and some of the minor characters got a bit tedious (I grew to loathe the clown, but then I ended up hating the Test Card girl as well!) but on the whole it was a lot better than I ever thought it would be. Better than Life on Mars, though, it certainly wasn't ... although I could well understand anyone who said they 'liked it better'. That's not at all the same thing, though, as you say!
5th-Feb-2013 11:17 am (UTC)
They're very different beasts in many ways, but on production values alone, LoM is better than A2A.

(I admit, I still don't quite understand how someone could like A2A better than LoM, but I have more tolerance for that than saying it's a better product.)
5th-Feb-2013 11:13 am (UTC)
Isn't the idea of fandomsecrets that you *know* you are saying something that is contrary to the commonly held opinions?

I still have not seen most of Ashes to Ashes; when I finally sat down to look at some of the s. 2 files, they didn't seem to want to play on my computer. And I can't seem to care that much; I found Alex hard to warm up to in s. 1, and Gene and the guys just wasn't a solid substitute for Sam and Annie and Gene for me -- take out 2/3 of the characters I'm invested in, and my interest slides.
5th-Feb-2013 11:16 am (UTC)
It's not the secret-maker, though, it's other people. That's why I'm confused.

I liked Shaz a lot, but I missed Annie so, so much, and they didn't explain her disappearance at all.
5th-Feb-2013 11:46 am (UTC)
Yeah, I think some people are not good at the objective quality versus personal preference thing and/or don't like to bother. (I tend to be in the second category. It's a lot of mental energy and second-guessing myself for a conclusion that will only lead to me making irrational negative judgements about my own tastes, so I don't do the "objectively better" thing unless there's a special reason.)
5th-Feb-2013 12:24 pm (UTC)
I know I have the best tastes, so this isn't an issue for me ;)
5th-Feb-2013 12:41 pm (UTC)
True. You're pretty much perfect.
5th-Feb-2013 12:44 pm (UTC)

Glad someone else out there appreciates that.

But in more seriousness, I don't have guilty pleasures, but I can usually say, "oh yes, this could be better edited/written/shot, however it has all of THIS going for it..."
5th-Feb-2013 01:02 pm (UTC)
I get reverse guilty pleasures - stuff which is objectively considered impressive and high-quality, but I just don't like it.
5th-Feb-2013 01:07 pm (UTC)
Oh yes. My top ones are Mad Men and The Sopranos. I can see why other people say they are good. I really do not care for them, at all. Comedy-wise, I would add Archer and Curb Your Enthusiasm. And possibly both the British and American versions of The Office, but I don't want to include them, because I hate Ricky Gervais so very, very much, I don't want to give him any kudos at all.
5th-Feb-2013 01:16 pm (UTC)
Mad Men, The Sopranos, and Curb Your Enthusiasm and The Office are all on my list! (I don't think I've seen Archer.) Also Homeland.
5th-Feb-2013 01:19 pm (UTC)
Archer is animated and everyone raves about it, but it doesn't gel with my sense of humour. I haven't yet seen Homeland, but also have never really wanted to.
5th-Feb-2013 01:21 pm (UTC)
Homeland is one of those shows like Mad Men and The Sopranos where my parents really like them, but I just don't enjoy them at all.
5th-Feb-2013 12:25 pm (UTC)
It may simply that some of the cadre of"Galex" fans are active participants on fandomsecrets, and thus are skewing the results. Clearly LoM has had a longer-lasting fandom presence, and as you say, objectively it was better put together--the scripts, the filming, etc.
5th-Feb-2013 12:32 pm (UTC)
I totally forget people ship Gene/Alex 99% of the time, hahaha. Oh, dear.

LoM is so much tighter written, yeah. And I found it more affecting, though I admit a lot of personal bias goes into that.
5th-Feb-2013 01:31 pm (UTC)

I'm sure you just ran in to a legion of Gene/Alex fans... or fans of 80s music... or people who saw A2A first... or Ray & Chris fans... or people who have a marked preference for shows with a central female lead... Really, it could be any number of things.

Like you, I just don't understand confusing "I prefer..." with "It is necessarily better because I prefer it." I love many dodgy things but I *know* they're dodgy, like Pros and dislike many things where I recognize the quality of them they just do nothing for me.
6th-Feb-2013 01:13 pm (UTC)
I found it weird that it appeared to be more than one person.

We are very similar in this regard. :D
5th-Feb-2013 05:34 pm (UTC)
At least the original secret was that the OP wouldn't watch A2A. *shrugs* And you never know which way the wind is gonna blow on that comm. You'll get the folks who'll comment just to be contrary there.

I do think previous commenters are right, that there are more Galex fen apt to comment on that comm, with a side order of A2A being more "accessible" to the younguns decade-wise.
6th-Feb-2013 01:15 pm (UTC)
Ah, but I'm a young'un (well, I was a child of the 80s/90s), and I didn't find A2A more accessible.

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